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Asked by Jordan - 04/09/09 at 08:09 pmIf there is a sentient creator to all things, what would have been its goal when creating everything? Is it even finished shaping reality?
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September 5th, 2009 at 11:49 am
If there is a sentient creator to all things, perhaps it is reasonable to assume that their goal in creating all things, is beyond the comprehension of that which has been created by the sentient entity, for they may be following logic or reasoning beyond the spectrum of what they have created.
I would say that should a sentient creator exist in our case, they have never finished shaping reality, if they had we would cease to exist, or find ourselves in a state of stasis, the reality in which we live is constantly changing, we could be a social experiment, elaborate game or a figment of a great imagination, perhaps if we skipped to a new reality we would not even be aware.
September 5th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Hmmm…i love this kind of question because in the end its about belief isn’t it?
If you believe then you aren’t likely to deny or question are you…because then you don’t believe any more!!!
Slightly off the point…sorry!!!
qphia…to suggest that the ‘creator’ had never finished reality is a very loaded statement…either way you’re killing God!!! I like the cut of your jib young fellow!!!
Your statement about a non-finished reality means that either a: God (the creator…just using a name for ease) died.
Or B: He left us in the lurch!!!!
I love it!!!!
I know the name of the creator of all things…’it’ is transgender and it’s name is nature and it doesn’t have a beard.
But i agree with you qphia…i don’t think that the original creator of this world…be it a sentient being or nature…can make sense or help us make sense of the reality in which we now find ourselves…it is a false man made reality in which everything is based on a mix of technology, entertainment and desires…it is nothing like the reality that was first created by either god or nature.
I certainly think you should be worried about the social experiments,games etc that your fellow human beings are enacting upon us rather than what some ‘Being’ may be doing or not to us.
September 11th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
I’m not sure how logic and reason take you to “God died or left us in the lurch”. I am going to call this sentient being or energy or divine creator ‘God’ for purpose of ease and understanding:
Who’s to say God’s “goal” wasn’t to experience his own glory? Granted Qphia is right that anything on this realm is merely human logic and speculation, which we would imagine pales in comparison beyond comprehension. But let me ask you this, what is our Soul? It is not a physical part of our makeup, but you can be sure almost everyone has referred to their soul at one point. Who’s to say The Psalms quote, “ye are gods” is not to be taken more literally?
It even makes sense with the big bang creation theory. This bang had to be produced by a mass amount of energy all gathered at one point created from nothing (energy can neither be created nor destroyed) If this was indeed ‘God’ then everything from that creation would be “of ‘God’” So we can almost imagine our souls as parts of ‘God’ within us…or if that is to christiany for you, imagine that you are indeed your own creative being, made in the likeness of this sentient being.
And since humans ARE creative beings, constantly creating their own reality both physically and as a population, that would mean that this energy I have chosen to refer to as God is not “dead” and did not “ditch us” rather is alive and well in every one of us. And all around us. Think of it as this ‘God’ doing the only thing that we can logically think it unable to do without us: experience his own greatness or glory.
September 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
In answer to ‘mr perfect’s’ comments on my own comments i will say this:
I am an Atheist…and my thoughts on a ‘Soul’ are this: the ‘Soul’ you refer to as far as i am concerned is non-existent…we as humans prefer to call this ‘other’ that resides inside our shell as a ‘Soul’ because it is our attempt to make sense of our individuality on earth as the only beings, as far as we are aware at this time, that have the ability to question our emotions and reactions to the idea of existence (in as far as we know what that means for our reality)…it is our failing as a race to conceive ourselves as being something that exists outside of nature, that we are special in some way, that we are something other than the rest of the creatures that reside within our place in the universe and on this earth. This is the very reason many believe in a ‘Soul’…because they can’t comprehend that it is just something that we, as part of nature, have evolved as another tool enabling us to survive within the confines of our existence. You refer to the ‘Soul’ as being not part of our physical make-up…can you prove this? I doubt if you can.
If you are suggesting by the following;
“Who’s to say The Psalms quote, “ye are gods” is not to be taken more literally?
It even makes sense with the big bang creation theory. This bang had to be produced by a mass amount of energy all gathered at one point created from nothing (energy can neither be created nor destroyed) If this was indeed ‘God’ then everything from that creation would be “of ‘God’” So we can almost imagine our souls as parts of ‘God’ within us ”
that the ‘God’ you refer to is not a sentient being (in the same way as we are) but ‘Nature’ then i would agree with you.(though i think you are not).
I would also like to pick you up on your idea that “energy can neither be created nor destroyed’…if you are saying that energy is an ongoing thing feeding of itself and forever changing and growing then on this point i agree…the big bang is something that explains this universe and how it came into being…no-one is saying that the energy used to create it was not there already…of course it was.
The ‘nothing’ that is referred to (an unfortunate statement) is , of course, not nothing at all but many atoms and particles and anti-matter and dark matter as well as other elements converging to create something. But none of this points to a sentient ‘being’ or ‘God’ and we are certainly not, nor will we become, Gods in the Biblical sense because the Biblical ‘God’ is a man-made concept.
Again i refer you to the idea of ‘belief’ and ‘faith’ and though i choose to keep an open mind about all things i can only comment on what is proven to be fact and logical in respect of the experiences that are of this reality and this world.
I would also like to point out that my comment about the ‘death of God’ is referring to the enlightenment of the 18th century and the discoveries in science that enabled us to have a better understanding of the world around us and the then death of ‘God’ as a concept, written by man, that governed our everyday lives through fear of punishment, which up until that point had done so completely (and in many places in the world still does).
I look forward to your reply ‘mr perfect’.
Good chatting with you.
September 14th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Actually…an apology…for my terrible reading ability…Mr Prefect is it?
Yes.
Not Mr Perfect.
I’m actually glad that i read that wrong and that’s not your actual screen name…
Apologies again.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Answering to you (the sentient creator) my aswers are #1 dont know, pray tell, and #2 are you?